mageling

Please take a step back folks, and consider the fact that we are in fact running on 1000s of different computer parts, some of them modified or overclocked etc - some just weird. Its not reasonable to blame SOE for everything.

Reason I am saying this is that I have in fact had the very same problem with my second computer.. for 5 weeks I was unable to use it for EQ in anythin remotely stable, and it was driving me nuts - crashes without any obvious pattern etc.

My solution: I borrowed another graphics card and tried that out. Exact same memory banks, and same FX5200 processer background. But different company, I was crashing on a Creative gfx card, but put in a slightly older "No Name" card from a discount store - and it work wonders !! I lost about 8 percent framewise by the change, but it works !! I have since then tried he creative card in another newer system and it works just fine with EQ.

Just my 2c - dont always blame the postman, it could very well be your own dog that gotten a habit of eating your mail.

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mageling

Another post, with a response to the main topic here

I must admit I am a little "annoyed" to see the posts here requesting totally new graphics for the whole game, redesigning all the old zones, etc. In my opinion they are asking for a 100% new wrapping of basically a game of grinding xp and getting items to grind even more xp (very basic I know, but thats my view) - and if thats what you REALLY want, then I suggest you go get EQ2 or WoW, etc.

No offense folks, but in my opinion, the different graphics and the combination of old and new things are one of the strongest appeals about EQ1. I LOVE being able to kick back in crushbone like I did 5 years ago, but most of all I love being able to get my RL friends into the game still, no matter if they run a 32mb gfx card on a 667mhz processer with 256mb ram or a 3.4athlon64 with fx6800.

Dont get me wrong, I like new models in OOW, I like the increased landscape details etc. But I do NOT want to see the whole graphics history erased to make something people will be unable to play on their older systems, and/or will just be whined at in 2 years again anyways. Its part of EQ1 history and I LOVE that.

About player models and spells - hmm, I have yet to meet anyone who plays with all Luclin graphics fully enabled AND all spell effects turned on, as well as dx9 upgrades (water etc). Mostly people, like myself, have turned off most player models, only using the ones for their own chars, and half the time (when raiding), the spells are turned off to decrease lag.

So please - leave EQ1 with a history, with being able to be played on older machines, and so forth.

For the record: I have EQ2 also, and I like aspects of the game, no questions asked.... but I do NOT think the models are better than EQ1... in fact I think most of them are quite boring, alot of facial expressions, but a seemingly "thinness" disease across the board.

Genghiz Cohen

actually, 90 million + 77 million = 167,000,000

thats 167 million, not 1 billion 670 million

not that it itsn't still a buttload of cash

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My expressed opinions are my own, and not that of Sigil Games.

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I'm not coming here to defend SOE's position, nor am I here to take opposition. In fact; I work for a competing company, so my goal is to stay completely neutral. I'm here on a 'personal basis ‘, and I also share emails with John Smedley from time-to-time, he's a respectable person deserving of some consideration on this issue.

This has been a 'touch-and-go' issue that has fallen short of prioritization, most likely due to a large shifting list of priorities and the reallocation of resources to various concurrent projects. Simply put, new player models were probably a good idea at one time, but a lot has happened or changed since its inception. Plans do change. It doesn’t mean new player models are off the table, it could simply mean that other tasks had been given higher priority.

The Everquest client has the ability to ‘poll players’ after they login. It should be utilized to ask players if they would like to see new player models added; either inside or outside of an expansion, if you’re indifferent on the issue and simply don’t care, or are in opposition to the idea altogether.

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danny91643

"The Everquest client has the ability to ‘poll players’ after they login. It should be utilized to ask players if they would like to see new player models added; either inside or outside of an expansion, if you’re indifferent on the issue and simply don’t care, or are in opposition to the idea altogether."

Best suggestion I have seen Yet.

I for one am NOT looking for a total Graphics change. All I have asked from the start if this Thread is What has happened to the Player Models Improvements. All I would like to know is it, or is it not in the agenda. I am not going to Bash SOE or anyone for telling me like it is. If I were told we were thinking about it, but we can't do it, that's fine.

I am not going to go further simply because I will get OFF Topic.

Thanks Thomus for a GREAT Suggestion.

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Tallia

Dear SOE,
Would you please listen to those of us who are casual players and run small family type guilds? Sometime please?

I am GL of a guild that was made in August 1999 on the Mithaniel Marr Server. Our goals and concepts have not changed, our frustration levels however, are rising with each expansion that makes it harder and harder for us, as a guild to advance.

We try and we try and sometimes we succeed. But we look at these epic's for example, shake our heads and say Oh well...

I would like new models, but first I want the little people addressed. We dont want anything that any other guild wants, except some content that will allows us to play and raid the way WE want to.

I feel sorry for every small guild out there spinning their wheels. I had some one say to me, "If you want to do the big stuff, delete your guild and join a big one." I say to that, "Why should we? We pay for the game too. Why cant they take a look at what is really out there?"

I say loose the zerg factor mentality SOE and try to make some of these encounters for people who can do it just as well but with less. Make more solo player content. Lots of people like to solo, but you're making so that you cant. I say why? they pay to play a game, let them do it their way.

I have the best group of kick butt raiders on the server, why? because we have had to use our brains and figured out different ways to do things. But SOE its getting tired and we are getting frustrated.

Too bad my post is at the bottom, if I am lucky Brenlo might see it and pass it on..

Haha well I can always dream cant I =)

I am not taking away anything from these bigger guilds, they have earned their bragging rights. I feel we need some balance here.

Thanks for letting vent, and you all have a great day.

Tallia
Soothsayer of Halas
Child of the Tribunal
GL - Tal`mahe`Ra
Mithaniel Marr 1999-2005

gaelon

i actually don't care if they came out with new models.. i have never liked the luclin models.. I run on a 1.8mhz amd and 512 ddr ram stick. have had a gig of ram in there (one stick went bad). and a gforce 6600gt which can handle luclin models in raids or anything of the like..

point being i still prefer the old school models over luclin by a long shot.. they run better (meaning the action of running instead of walking.. the performance increase is a given) they slash better, the 2hb is much better looking on them. they sit better. the armor (well, chain anyways) looks much better. (can't stand looking at my ranger wearing a tunic and tights.. i like the tucked in tree shirt)

the things i wish were fixed are...

- what happened to velious armor looks.. used to be that a nice nodrop chest item would not have the tree logo. the pants would have a more chain look instead of the tights that luclin models put on me. wrists had a different look about them depending on the piece of gear. boots were the same thing. i really miss the individuality my character got from the look of his gear.

- why is it not possible to use a mount with old graphics, when i can if i'm in skeleton form. i have a drogmor from casino which is almost as fast as bard speed. I hate having to load up a graphic that i can't stand in order to use it. yeah i know.. get an aon and don't worry bout it right? i had one, but the point is i don't want to be a skeleton. I want to be a wood elf.. that is why i created one.

guess those are my two main dream patch fixes..

as far as new models, well i'd be interested in them if they were functional and didn't have the look or feel of a luclin model. most likely i'd go back to old school cus that is the look i grew to love over the years, but i'd try it out some.

EQ dying? not even close imo. yeah it's true that some guilds have folded. In our server's case we lost Heroes Of The Seven Suns. They were always the guild that was on top of the game.. took out the sleeper, first in VT first everything. Most of them were done with the game after PoP, but stuck around because of the addiction and love of the game we all have. Some still remain and have gone to guilds with RL friends etc. most are in WoW.

My guild is thriving atm and I don't see a decline. We are getting alot of spillover from the guilds that aren't around, and there are more and more people coming back every day that left for one of the other two games. I play WoW casually when there is absolutely nothing going on in EQ for me, but i log on every day first and foremost to see what is up with my guildies. I don't see it dying soon at all

anyways that's my 2c

illandileq

Easiest way to do such a thing? Take a note from Ryzom. Use Key frame animation. That is what they did with EQ2. Essentially what you do.

Take Your standard High Elf caster.
Give him whatever weapons that he could possibly equip.
For twitch, make whatever weapon he is holding a one handed model.
Combat animation? From starting position? make a secondary that is completion. Now here is the Killer.

Use code to "Transform"(Move) Each part of said models body to it's new position.

That is what entails keyframe animation =)

easy, but tedious. Kinda like level grinding an enchanter.


Now, here we go with the true matter. I don't care about animation, new models, or anything. I am just tired of being lied to and diverted, and told I need a hearing aid. For christ's sake. Instead of lying to me (which burns me) just tell me "Uh... That Ain't gonna happen". I'll be fine with it. Instead of promising me something on a box that ain't there, just tell me what the hell is there. I might not buy it, but hey, that is truth in Advertising.

Truthfully, false advertising is a very bad thing. Ranks in the category of wonderbra's and socks in the pants.

illandileq

Well then, keep yer graphics off. just do what they said they were gonna do, and give those that want it the ability to use them. OOOOOH!! Such a hard thing to do!! not.

ArcherPhate

I agree with illandileq, it may break some poeple systems, but if sony makes them turn off able then they can use the ones they were earlyer. I dont rally care if the graphics get put in, but if they do i pry they are of the same calliber of the new Lavastorm( that place if freaking sweet). I love the new models there, even if i randomly lag ( or what ever that new lag bar tells us.)

Basicly SOE should, imho, tell us if they are planning on doing it or if they have given up on it and are just holding a tay ccarrot infront of us. But SOE if u do do them, DO them good.

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Bhahahah?

/emote goes back to chewing some kentucky blue.

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shinja

I dont want to see a redesign or such at all, I want the current stuff fixed...

Its not shiney graphics that slow everything down, its the fact we are running on a total POS graphics engine. Do you realize Half Life ONE still looks ages better than EQLive, yet runs...immeasurably better and more stable?

I want to see a decent collision system, decent animations, and a stable, efficient graphics engine applied to EQLive. I agree that the original models looked and functioned better, and if they were fully supported NOW I would still use them...as is I only turn on the ones I need in order to use my horses and drogs...ie only the races I play.

The old models dont show dye properly, some of the weapons on some of them dont display right, velious armor textures are buggy at best now...

I think the game LOOKED the best in Velious...the Velious armor textures were the best...and still look awsome...do you folks remember the screen shots in the installation? Remember that dark elf chick with the armor texture that didnt make it in game? It should have.

If they would just fully support the old models (and up the 'old' vah shir model to the quality of the other 'old' models) I would be happy with that.

Collision is another issue, but that has to do with the engine itself.

I am sick of seeing my character hit for 600 crits by poking stuff with his 2hb weapon like a pool stick. Its rediculous.

I am tired of trying to SEE some cool spell effect for ONCE without slowing my system down to a crawl.

It doesnt have to be spectacular and cover the screen when someone casts light healing...it can be subtle...MORE particles and MORE polygons are not BETTER...quality is better.

Laffs

/agree

Even this animation with a 2hb or 2hs wep in its hand would be better, then the "poke" effect lol ... Hell they could even make it a Taunt and slash combo animation with that....... (wonder if they will give me a job )